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Spike Lee had an interview with Ed Gordon on Our World with Black Enterprise scheduled to air this weekend. In the interview he complained about “coonery and buffoonery” and both of Tyler Perry’s shows “Meet the Browns” and “House of Payne,” comparing them to characters from minstrel shows.

“We’ve had this discussion back and forth. When John Singleton [made 'Boyz in the Hood'], people came out to see it. But when he did ‘Rosewood,’ nobody showed up. So a lot of this is on us! You vote with your pocketbook, your wallet. You vote with your time sitting in front of the idiot box, and [Tyler Perry] has a huge audience. We shouldn’t think that Tyler Perry is going to make the same film that I am going to make, or that John Singleton or my cousin Malcolm Lee [would make]. As African-Americans, we’re not one monolithic group, so there is room for all of that. But at the same time, for me, the imaging is troubling and it harkens back to ‘Amos n’ Andy.’”

“Each artist should be allowed to pursue their artistic endeavors, but I still think there is a lot of stuff out today that is coonery and buffoonery. I know it’s making a lot of money and breaking records, but we can do better. … I am a huge basketball fan, and when I watch the games on TNT, I see these two ads for these two shows (Tyler Perry’s “Meet the Browns” and “House of Payne”), and I am scratching my head. We got a black president, and we going back to Mantan Moreland and Sleep ‘n’ Eat?

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  • Spike is right, Tyler Perry does nothing but extend archaic & demeaning images of African Americans in the media. Not only is it just limited to TV even his movies never stray to far from his very limited themes. The same loud outlandish characters masked in a veil of religion and naive morality grace all of his productions.

    We need to get welllllllllll past this.
  • It is unfortunate that Mr. Lee chooses this very public forum to discredit one of our own. If we follow his logic should we not condemn him for characters such as "Mars Blackman", "Buggin-out" and "Radio Raheem". The blatant stereotypes throughout School Daze are certainly not images we want to portray.

    Like Mr. Perry, Mr. Lee has a series of statements,questions and issues that are important for us as a people, embedded in the movies and TV shows with which they are affiliated.

    In Mr. Lee's comments he makes reference to our diversity, perhaps we should be more tolerant of the diversity he clearly realizes does exist.

    Would it not make more sense for Mr. Lee to communicate directly with Mr. Perry before this becomes yet another devisive media tool?

  • There's a big difference between mocking a culture and making a production that they can relate to. It's like rappers say, they don't make things they way they are they simply go along with what the people want. They're the reporters, they just show what will get them ratings. To some extent, black culture itself is innately comical in some respects. There's no true proper speech or any real sense of decorum. There's a lot of mocking, much immorality, and a lot of aggression. This is no secret about black culture and if someone doesn't like that, that's them being intolerant rather than anything about the person who reflects it back.
  • Tyler Perry is producing film and shows that the majority can relate to in one fashion or a another. I don't think any film will suit all people. So Spike, thanks for the input, but I thank God that I (like many) can see, understand, and recieve the message of hope and life principles that TP's productions are carrying. Keep doing what you do TP!! AND keep doing what you do Spike. They are both neeeded. Note: There are many many other "real issues" in media produced by "us", that should be addressed. Spike, ease up Soldier, and re-focus.
  • I have enjoyed the positives from both very different film genres. I liked Spike's universal and edgy approach from the black perspective, and I laughed out loud at the comic relief of Mr. Perry's films. However, I believe that Spike, no matter how painful the comment, is basically right about Mr. Perry's general poor image of blacks in cinema. If we ignore the fact the Mr. Perry's movies can continue to give a "step n fletchet" image of our race on screen, then are we saying that the end always justifies the means. I have been insulted on a couple of occasions of comments made in his movies (Diary of a Mad Black Women, for example), where he critizises in song, peoples' belief in other religious figures other than Christ. I feel this is simply a sign of Mr. Perry's shortsigtedness in respecting other peoples choice of religious preference. I believe if I can overlook his intolerance on this level, that he should be able to take Spike Lee's comments as productive critizism and move on to make films that don't rely on the Madea images as the major way of making a point in his films.
  • One has a studio complex, is breaking Hollywood records and is rapidly building a media empire - the other has made a few movies... none as financially successful as Tyler Perrys. Perry's movies are hitting a chord with audiences... if people were "offended" than why is he breaking box office records? Tyler has come up from the streets and is responsible for his own success. His movies are popular because they hit a chord with people. Lee has made some good flicks - but these comments just smack of jealousy.
  • I agree with Spike 99%.

    I like Tyler Perry and agree with him 99%.

    This is classic "crab in the barrel" syndrome.

    Brothers - back up and take a deep breath.

    Open your eyes. You come from two very different molds.
  • team spike all the way!! lets compare:

    do the right thing vs.diary of a mad black woman

    Malcolm X vs.madeas family reunion

    inside man vs.madea goes to jail

    Miracle at st.anna vs.whatever else garbage tyler perry's got. lets face it people spike lee's an artist;tyler perry shucks and jives. field negro vs house negro. plain and simple.
    • Your comparisons don't even equate. Granted Spike Lee has his style and Tyler Perry has another style. There's not way you can compare the two. Spike Lee has depicted people in his movies to be drug pushers, ignorant and menial delivery boys, prostitues, killers, etc. He has done some good works but he has also produced garbage too. At least when I go see a movie by Tyler Perry I'm assured I won't hear profanity and see violence. They both are blessed and they both have what it takes to open people's eyes. I just think it's a shame that Spike Lee publicly put down another brother for no reason. Again, I'll say he's just a hater.
    • You're also assured you won't see anything of actual substance. Not all of Lee's films may be perfect, but he at least tries to do something more than just play to cheap laughs and stereotypes. Do The Right Thing and Malcom X were both landmark moments in modern cinema, and box office pull does not equate to actual quality.

      And really, is that how you judge what films you see? The ones without swears?
    • Your ignorant and its sad. Comments like that, you should keep to yourself. Both are great and different.
    • Perry's movies show some of the undersides of black (and all other) society: rape, incest, drug use, dysfunctional families. His works also show redemption from these pitfalls is possible. Who else is doing this now?



      Spike's movies provide powerful messages from a viewpoint that others could not ever grasp (Malcolm X, Miracle at St. Anna). He allows black society to see that they are an integral part of society as a whole; that everything in our country and the world has been touched and positively affected by what we have done throughout time. He produces great works.



      Tyler's movies provide powerful messages from a viewpoint that others could not ever grasp. He knows of abuse and rape firsthand. Tyler deals with societal ills that are not readily or openly addressed. Incest exists in the black family, but it is only whispered about by Mama and Aunt Lizzy when no one else is around. We know that our pre-teen and teenage girls (and boys!) are being "turned out" by their mother's boyfriend/drug dealer/husband but we turn our collective heads and do nothing. Our sisters are being abused, physically and emotionally, but that's what happened to momma and grandma and the woman at church; it's just the way it is. That person stumbles through feeling lost because they assume no one else has ever had to deal with what they're dealing with; or because they see others acquiesce, they should too.



      If a movie or a book or a song can impart a spark of hope in someone who is floundering in despair, why deny them that means of enlightenment?



      There are plenty of black directors, producers, and writers whose stories have not yet been told. They have their own perspectives and will tell wonderful stories, too, when given the chance.



      In the meantime, both Tyler and Spike can entertain the moving going public with differing but nonetheless compelling views of us.

  • GO SPIKE GET EM!! I AGREE 100% WITH SPIKE LEE!! I HAVE MYSELF ENJOYED A TYLER PERRY MOVIE OR TWO ,SO I AM A FAN OF SOME OF HIS WORK BUT FOR THE LIFE OF ME I CAN'T WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND WHY THIS IS ALLOWED TO BE SHOWN. THE TWO TIMES I TRIED TO WATCH I SAW NOTHING FUNNY AND A WHOLE LOT OF IGNORANCE. SOUNDING LIKE OLD SLAVES AND ALWAYS UNEDUCATED. IT'S SETTING US BACK 500 YEARS WITH THESE TWO OUTRAGEOUS SHOWS. AS A BLACK WOMAN I AM GLAD SOMEONE FINALLY SAID SOMETHING BECAUSE I BEEN THINKING IT SINCE I SAW THE FIRST PREVIEW. JUST LIKE THE CARTOON THE BOONDOCKS. THE REAL SLAVES THAT WERE STRONG AND PROUD AND FOUGHT AND DIED FOR THEIR FREEDOM. NOT ONLY FOR THEIR PHYSICAL FREEDOM BUT JUST SO THEY COULD HAVE THE FREEDOM TO LEARN HOW TO SPEAK AND READ PROPERLY ARE ROLLING IN THEY'RE GRAVES!!TO I DON'T THINK WE NEED CENSORSHIP TO REGULATE WHAT WE AS PEOPLE (OF ANY RACE FOR THAT MATTER) PROJECT OURSELVES TO BE THE WORLD IS WATCHING THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH......FOR ALL THOSE WHO LAUGH SO HARD AT THE SHOWS AND DON'T AGREE ...WOULD IT BE SO FUNNY IF THEY WERE WHITE CAST SAME LINES??? SAME PEOPLE WOULD BE BOYCOTTING THE SHOW. WRAP IT UP JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE BLACK DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO EMBARRASS US.
    • Why are we putting down a man that has come from no where and made it to where he is now? His shows and his movies do not put us back 500 years. If anything they are uplifting. I am not particularly a fan of his shows but all of his movies and plays have been inspirational. It is also a pleasure to sit and watch a movie without hearing profanity and seeing violence for 2 hours. To compare Tyler Perry's movies to Spike Lee's is not fair. They are not in the same league and have very different ideas and concepts. Another thing that is no comparison is Tyler Perry write, directs and produces his movies in his own studio. He doesn't have to get anyone to put up any money because when he did they wanted him to bow down to him and do things their way. He is blessed enoughed tobe able to do his projects on his own and he doesn't have to bow down to a sole. As far as his characters I admit some of them are silly. But without some laughter in this life we would all be miserable. I don't think Tyler Perry means to degrade anyone but look at it realistically, we do have some people that really live, act and talk like that. It's sad but true. We should all be a little more aware of things before we pass judgement. Bringing reality to the screen is one way of people seeing that these things still exist and need to be addressed.
  • Spike Lee is out of line. This is one reason we as a people can't get it together. His comments sound like a hater's comments.Did he forget his 1st garbage movie "She's Gotta Have It". That was pure trash with no meaning. Instead of critisizing a brilliant brother, he needs to meet with Tyler Perry and get some advice from him. The only reason his movies were blockbusters was because of Denzel Washington!!! Face it Spike. You're wrong and owe this man an apology. Stop hating. Get where Tyler Perry is and then maybe you can talk. You're not even a good actor (Mookie). Get real.
    • The difference is, after "She's Gotta Have It," Lee made films like Crooklyn, Do the Right Thing, Malcom X, whereas after "Madea's Family Reunion," Tyler Perry keeps making more Madea films without actually showing any progress as a filmmaker.
  • Tyler Perry movies are a shame. The REAL problem is that we as a people cant even see that this is a terrible depiction of us as a community. Plaid coats and pinstripe pants, men dressing up as loud mouth ladies and saying its okay because they are "supposedly" strong women? Poor english foolish movies titles like "I Can Do Bad All by Myself," are you kidding me? Yeah we are working, but at what cost?
    • At least Tyler Perry, in addition to employing unknown black actors, character honestly depicts all aspects of the spectrum, not just "racial" stereotypes. His characters are educated, professionals, wealthy, illeterate, blue collar, poor, etc. If he shows a womanizer or "bad" man, he will also show a "good" man. Through comedy he tells a story of the true human spitirt, forgiveness and the beauty of the wins "grace & mercy". He uses film as medium to tell inform and encourage people beyond their circumstances or mistakes. If what he does is bafoonery, what about shows like "Martin" or "Fresh Prince" or "In Living Color" or "sanford & Son" or "The Jeffersons" or "Good Times"... or movies like "House Party" or "Boys In The Hood" or "Friday" or "Barbershop" or "Booty Call". I could on and on.
  • Let's keep it real, Tyler Perry does. I allow my children to watch all his movies and sitcoms and then I ask them "what was the messasge" and each time they are able to give it to me and for a parent that is "power" my children are ages 10 and 11. Do you think at this age they can grasp what Spike Lee puts on screen. The answer is no, not yet. Me as a parent have to focus the NOW.





































    Momma
    • I get that you are a Mom, but these are not positive images on his TV shows, or movies. Your children will subconsciously compare these images( as all blacks do with black images. it is one of the reasons we think so poorly about ourselves) of blacks with the images they see of whites in other TV shows and films, and rightly feel that the blacks displayed, are dressed act and carry themselves like fools in comparison to a white film or TV show. Just because Perry throws in a message at the end of his films doesn't mean the film or TV show was overall a positive experience. Also your children may not understand the overall message of a Spike film, that doesn't mean they wouldn't benefit from the experience and pick up positive things from his work about black people, also it is good to stretch their abilities anyway, they may end up understanding more than you give them credit for.
    • Arron, I have to get with BBW on this. Raise your kids now, not later. OTOH, maybe the problem is not the image of Blacks that Tyler Perry is promoting. The problem is the image of Blacks being promoted by the rest of the media. I say STAND UP AGAINST THAT.
  • I THINK WE ARE AT A STANDOFF HERE.....WE JUST NEED TO GIVE BOTH OF THESE BROTHERS A MOVIE SUBJECT OR STORY LINE AND SEE WHO COULD MAKE A BETTER MOVIE.

    ALTHOUGH I SUPPOSE ANYTHING WITH TYLER PERRY'S NAME ON IT IS JUST GOLD AT THE BOX OFFICE. SO SPIKE, LET'S PRETEND YOU'RE IN A SPORTS GAME AND LET'S SEE WHO WOULD BECOME THE VICTOR.

    IN THE END WE ALL WOULD BE WINNERS FOR HAVING TWO TALENTED PEOPLE MAKE MOVIES WE WOULD BE PROUD TO SEE.
  • While I can appreciate both Spike Lee and Tyler Perry for becoming two of the earliest black directors, I certainly agree that we, as black entertainers, should and can raise the bar. Perhaps Spike Lee is not the ideal person to criticize Tyler, as they are both black directors. Maybe Spike should have left that criticism to the critics or other the general public. I think to whom much has been given, much is required. There is a responsibility to provide higher quality entertainment that reflects black people and that is either targeting black people. Yes, as much as I support Tyler, I do think it's time, given all of his success, that he graduates into a higher standard of character building, story telling, new plots, and even a broader audience. We as black people are not all Christian, dogmatic, violent, abused, poor, heterosexual, etc. I understand that he claims he has to use baits to get black people to show up, but baiting at who's expense? There comes a time when those baits begin to offend or misrepresent or stereotype black people, and that's why it's important to have balance. There's a responsibility to the sensitive situations of the black community as a whole. Young people need to see more - a variety of plots and stories. And now that Tyler has his own studio, he has a real opportunity to lead us to growth, rather than the same old same old. It may have been better for Spike to allow others to say what needed to be said to get the dialogue going because there is a lot of merit to what he said, but I just hope that it has not destroyed a potential, professional relationship between these two successful black directors.
  • I agree with Spike....We have to understand that everyone is not going to take the struggle serious...a money making opportunity is just that..how many real men would dress up like a woman to make jokes...how many mothers would be proud of that ..how many sons would be proud to say that's my father dressed like a granny if her were not making millions..Funny is funny, sad is sad, if my son were dressed like a woman I would spend most of my waking hours trying to figure out what I did wrong..and why had GOD forsaken me...unfortunately in this society where it seems everything goes, everything goes, I am not sure we understand that...this is not just something on TV or in the movies...it is imaging and folks believe what they see...And believe it or not, thee is a real woman some place who is able to play the role Tyler dresses like a woman to play....but then we have to appeal the the folks who are cross dressers huh? even if we sell our soul...our history, our heritage...our pride...the old mighty dollar PEACE
    • how many men would dress as a woman to make jokes? hmmm, lets see....flip wilson, milton berle, martin lawrence, jerry lewis, wesley snipes and patrick swayze, jack lemmon and tony curtis, eddie murphy. I'm willing to bet that their mothers are pretty darn proud of their sons. In Shakespeare's time, all the parts in a play, male and female, were played by males.



      Wearing a dress for a role does not connote a lack of morals nor a lack of good parenting.



      i DO hope that tyler will find someone else to play the role of "Madea" only so that he can fully devote himself to the other aspects production company: writing, directing, and producing (Precious).

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