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Pharrell Williams does everything well.

His music career never seems to be slowing down, he has a successful clothing line, and once he even got into designing jewelry. Most people who look at Pharrell might not even know his real age. Being young at heart seems to have helped the 40-year-old musician … but apparently so did Naomi Campbell.

In a recent interview with Hot 97’s Angie Martinez, Pharrell broke down how he manages to stay so young:

I’m [washing my face]. Like little small stuff. Naomi Campbell taught me a couple of tricks back in the day, like washing your face with cold water, keeping your pores closed. People say my parents look pretty young too. For me, you just have to wash your face. I use Cetaphil.

He went on to talk about his relationship with longtime girlfriend Helen Lasichanh, and why their relationship just works: 

It was so easy, because see here’s the thing, I’m not no relationship expert, but I just recommend that you get with your bestie. Because y’all agree on everything. This is the person that when the other girls were tripping you could call her and be like ‘She saying…’, and she could talk to you about whatever. So you guys started with a very honest and open rapport. You never had to hide anything. And you know, at a certain point in my business, I don’t know why anyone lies. You’re making money, you’re doing it, she don’t like it, ‘You don’t like it? Beat it.’ But, I’m going to be honest with you.

Pharrell has a lot to thank his parents and Naomi for. To hear the rest of the interview, press play on the video above. 

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