They didn’t want DJ Khaled to appear on The Ellen Show, so what did he do? He appeared on The Ellen Show.

The music mogul-turned-Snapchat star stopped by The Ellen Show to discuss his newfound social media fame and offered up some positive advice for Ellen and her live studio audience.

First key to success? Never let “them” hold you back. DJ Khaled spent most of his time explaining to Ellen who “they” are and what “they” do. He also mentioned his new manager Jay Z and his new Beats 1 radio show. By the end of the interview, Ellen gifted Khaled a hilarious sweatshirt with her face on it and a faux gold chain.

Watch Khaled and Ellen’s exchange up top.